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    Special Police in North Carolina (Private Companies)

    Has anyone ever seen special police officers in North Carolina or ever heard of them? Private companies can make their own police force and have blue lights & red lights. Is anyone on a department/company like this? How does everyone feel about this? I am curious about how this all works now. I find it odd. Please address your opinions and concerns.


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    I recall that NC security has "police powers" on the property they are hired to protect.

    In CA, security cars cannot use red/blue lights, only amber. Our security has no authority beyond that of any private person [aka 'citizen'] to detain or arrest. Other than statutes that allow a merchant, amusement park, movie theatre, or library to stop & detain, private persons (including security) cannot detain but must arrest or release.

    I have often seen private security not allow people to leave a venue by keeping them inside, seen them detain, search & arrest (using handcuffs) non-resisting subjects based on third-hand information, and move the arrested person to a holding area. All in all, that's False Arrest, False Imprisonment, Battery, and Kidnaping ...

    The biggest issue is the limited training, weak supervision and lack of good sense & maturity.

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    You are right ElJefe, I have seen the same problem back in the day when I was training these folks. Sadly, with budget cuts, I can see a move towards private police forces...without the proper oversight, that scares me. I worked the private industry long enough to know that the almighty dollar reigns. I hope we open our eyes soon. As much as I am a right wing nut job, I don't like this trend.

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    Every article I read indicates the private sector is larger than sworn police. With every legislative session, more and more security firms, lobbyists, and casinos seem to be pushing for more "police powers" for private security [eg, the Carolinas]. A common argument is the reduces strain on municipal police, saves costs for selection, recruitment & training, and allows a more 'comprehensive' approach by having more (faux) 'police' at a given location.

    What's ignored is the hazards this poses to Joe Citizen when "hassled" (or worse) by the Rent-A-Cop who drives a marked unit, has a badge & gun and carries a major personality disorder and little skill set.

    I ran a security department for about five years after retiring ... Mediocre employees, poor attitude and learning retention, and often terrible public contact skills. Huge liability concerns ...
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    I still find it odd that private police companies can have blue lights on their cars. My only exception to the private police sector is Private Universities and Hospitals, I am all for them having a police force.

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    It's a slippery slope. I am all for small businesses, but there are certain things best left to the public sector. California tried to farm out their inmates to private prisons, and that was a complete failure. I see the same trend on the streets. There are actually companies out there patrolling entire towns. The problem is oversight. Honestly, if the hiring standards were equal to ours, I would not be as concerned, however they are not. The company I worked for in the private sector is out of business now. They had their people responding to calls they had no training to respond too. Shooting calls at apartment complexes, etc. Bad idea. In the years I was with them, I had 14 incidents where my guards got shot. Amost all of them culd have been avoided with proper training. Leave the police work to the police. Our government is supposed to protect it's people and the constitution. Instead it provides welfare and gives licences to illegals. We need to get our priorities straight. Let us protect the populous, and let the private sector do what it does best: provide jobs and keep our economy going. Imho

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    Quote Originally Posted by eljefe241 View Post
    I recall that NC security has "police powers" on the property they are hired to protect.

    In CA, security cars cannot use red/blue lights, only amber. Our security has no authority beyond that of any private person [aka 'citizen'] to detain or arrest. Other than statutes that allow a merchant, amusement park, movie theatre, or library to stop & detain, private persons (including security) cannot detain but must arrest or release.

    I have often seen private security not allow people to leave a venue by keeping them inside, seen them detain, search & arrest (using handcuffs) non-resisting subjects based on third-hand information, and move the arrested person to a holding area. All in all, that's False Arrest, False Imprisonment, Battery, and Kidnaping ...

    The biggest issue is the limited training, weak supervision and lack of good sense & maturity.
    Check this out eljefe241. Watch this youtube video. Nova Agency Company Police K-9 Unit - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReservePO58 View Post
    Check this out eljefe241. Watch this youtube video. Nova Agency Company Police K-9 Unit - YouTube
    Wow. I was having trouble comprehending the massive liability before... Now you're bringing dogs into the equation!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReservePO58 View Post
    Has anyone ever seen special police officers in North Carolina or ever heard of them? Private companies can make their own police force and have blue lights & red lights. Is anyone on a department/company like this? How does everyone feel about this? I am curious about how this all works now. I find it odd. Please address your opinions and concerns.


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    Not in NC. However, I worked as a University Police Officer in PA for a while. Our power was granted by a statue that allowed a private corporation to form and maintain a police department. It is in the books in just about any state that has railway police, which is what also designates their authority. We had a jurisdictional limit which was 50 feet adjacent for misdemeanor crimes. In progress felonies were open game. The department functioned similarly to a regular agency. Every officer was required to go through the same municipal police training that local cops did. Most of the guys / gals that worked their worked for a municipal department so they had two law enforcement certs. Private police can work if they are held to the same standards as everyone else. Unfortunately politics seep into everything and could be an even bigger issue with private police as they have less transperancy.

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    Technically, the federal reserve police are private police. The company is private but it is overlooked by the federal government making them federal police officers.

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    I'm a hospital cop in Texas. Our department is owned by a not for profit hospital. Our authority comes from the states education code. I have worked in the private security industry for the past 12 years and I have been a cop for 5 years now. We attend active shooter training,and have all the same power as municipal police departments we just don't get the same state retirement benefits.

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    Company Police or Private Police in North Carolina

    Officers thank you for the questions, and I hope my answer clarified your understanding.

    In North Carolina which is the only state I am aware of that truly has "private police" our officers are state sworn police officers that have all the same powers and authority as a municipal officers except we work for a private agency instead of a tax based or "governmental" agency.

    Our authority falls under North Carolina General Statue 74E, our officers must attend and pass a full term police academy, pass a complete background check/investigation, and attend 24 hours of annual in-service training just like any other police officer within North Carolina.

    We do run red & blue lights, we have the authority to issue criminal cits, conduct arrest's, investigations, pursuits, serve warrants, and seek warrants for arrests and/or to conduct searches.
    Our site might be able to provide further details: home

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    I don't see how it's any different than private universities, or railroads having police departments. We have those here in FL.

    My wife works as an Officer for a prison here. It's run by a private company that employs state certified correctional officers and contracts to run prisons for the Dept of Corrections. They have a huge contraband problem, and alot of dirty staff. A private company is out to make a profit, therefore usually offers less pay and benefits that a governmental agency. In turn, they are forced to hire the misfits that either got fired somewhere else, or can't get a job anywhere else. I would assume private police depts are the same.

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    So I assume by your statement that your wife can't get hired somewhere else, has been fired by a state or county agency and/or is a "misfit"?

    Our agency and fact most private police agencies within NC based upon my conversations with other police chiefs pay the same if not more then "local depts", I think you can clearly see by our site that we only have above par equipment, and I honestly don't appreciate your negative implications about our agencies that you don't have the ability to compare.


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    I don't see how it's any different than private universities, or railroads having police departments. We have those here in FL.

    My wife works as an Officer for a prison here. It's run by a private company that employs state certified correctional officers and contracts to run prisons for the Dept of Corrections. They have a huge contraband problem, and alot of dirty staff. A private company is out to make a profit, therefore usually offers less pay and benefits that a governmental agency. In turn, they are forced to hire the misfits that either got fired somewhere else, or can't get a job anywhere else. I would assume private police depts are the same.

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    I certainly meant no disrespect, Nova. I am not from your area, nor do I have any knowledge of your agency/company.

    For the sake of conversation, I provided input based on my knowledge of "companies" from my area. I will apologize, I shouldn't have assumed all privately run LE companies were the same. Additionally, you shouldn't assume I was referring to my spouse when I say the agency she works for hires "trash", as do most of the low-paying, privately run agencies that offer crummy benefits.

    We live in a small town, so as you can imagine, the demand for COs is not great. Since I work for the Sheriffs Office, we decided its best to work for separate agencies, leaving her only option to be with the 'misfits'.

 

 
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